| Correspondence between Richard Rose and
Alfred Pulyan |
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Key: |
Pulyan to Rose |
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Letters on
website are here: |
| 1960 and
1961 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
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http://selfdefinition.org/pulyan/letters/ |
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update Dec 2015 |
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Site map: |
http://selfdefinition.org/sitemap.htm |
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Links to files
and lertter scans (some pdf, some jpg) are there. |
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| INVENTORY
OF SCANS |
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From Pulyan |
From Rose |
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JPG |
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To Rose |
To Pulyan |
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COLLECTION |
COLLECTION |
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Status /
Comments |
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by date & author |
pages
numbered 1-136 |
p. 1-136 in group |
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| 1960 |
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| AUGUST
1960 - Start |
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| Aug 17 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
1 |
1960-0817-rose-first |
1 |
pdf 1 to 15 |
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Rose
introduces self, mentions McIntyre, asks to correspond. |
| Aug 20 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
2 |
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2, 3 |
pdf 1 to 15 |
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Implies
he knows. Difficult to reach people, asks for background info. |
| Aug 24 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
2 |
1960-0824-rose-1,
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4, 5 |
pdf 1 to 15 |
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Rose
gives biographical info. Says he married at 33 and about then decided to get
serious, look for teachers. Doesn't mention experience. Says if you claim to
"know" God you are a great, incomprehensible man or a liar. Would
like to learn more. Asks about immortality. |
| Aug 27 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
4 |
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6, 7, 8, 9 |
pdf 1 to 15 |
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"What
shall I do when I meet a Zen master." "Dribbling, piddling
dialectic." 15 bullet points, a through o, in response to R's questions.
Attacking is nessary as it exposes the egos. |
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| SEPTEMBER
1960 |
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| Sep 1 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
1 |
1960-0901-rose |
10 |
pdf 1 to 15 |
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Has
a favorable view. Difficult to communicate without knowing the person more.
Because of this, offers to visit P. Wants to know aim and system. |
| Sep 6 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
5 |
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11 to 15 |
pdf 1 to 15 |
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Chastizes,
"This won't do." Lists 4 individuals he is talking with, including
R. Mentions "bipolar mind", and the student getting caught in
personality. "When the ego is really threatened … the place will be a
shambles." |
| Sep 10 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
2 |
1960-0910-rose-1,
2 |
16, 17 |
pdf 16 to 33 |
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Objects
to the way P has been speaking to him. Asks for his qualifications. Offers to visit P - mentions difficulty;
better to convey intuitively |
| Sep 11 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
2 |
1960-0911-rose-1,
2 |
18, 19 |
pdf 16 to 33 |
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Say's
it's up to P to prove his claims. Still a testy letter; but says he remains
open. However, he doesn't want to guess. Mentions his experience and the
poen, but does not mention sending a copy. |
| Sep 17 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
4 |
1960-0917-pulyan-1
to 4 |
20 & 21
missing + 22, 23 |
pdf 16 to 33 |
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(PDFs
were mlissing pages 20 and 21 but Michael scanned to JPG) Pulyan counters R's objections one by one,
talks about the egocentric position and devices used to protect the ego. |
| Sep 21 #1 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
2 |
1960-0921-rose-1,
2 |
24, 25 |
pdf 16 to 33 |
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Expresses
frustration at the way P is challenging every word, says that by definition
everything sa person does is from the ego. Justifies his right to know what P
has that would give him the authority hec claims. |
| Sep 21 #2 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
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1960-0921-rose-3 |
26 |
pdf 16 to 33 |
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[Same
day.] Very short. Softens his position. Says he's willing to work. |
| Sep 21 #3 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
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1960-0921-rose-4 |
27 |
pdf 16 to 33 |
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A
more legible copy of #26, received back from Pulyan, with handwritten
numbering on it, 1-5. P's next letter references these numbers. |
| Sep 23 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
6 |
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28 to 33 |
pdf 16 to 33 |
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Lays
out "EP vs AP", "Ego 1 vs Ego 2" and "Personality of
the Master" Editorial comment: A masterpiece. |
| Sep 26 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
3 |
1960-0926-rose-1,
2, 3 |
34, 35, 36 |
pdf 34 to 53 |
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It's
impossible to live without ego and to communicate without words; therefore R
doesn't understand attacks on same. Has a weariness of life where ego is
necessary. Wants to be One, not none or nothing. Have a book on Zen but it
makes no sense to me. |
| Sep 28 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
9 (1, 2 out of order; 8, 9 misssing) |
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37 to 41 |
pdf 34 to 53 |
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Page
1 (48) & 2 (49), as noted in handwriting on p 37, are out of order in the
series 34-53. Has p. 3 (37), 4 (38), 5 (39), 6 (40), 7 (41) then stops.
Missing is 8 (42) but we have. AT's page . numbered 26b. Content: Says R's
least letter was "really excellent". then basically picks apart
everything R said. "Egocentricity",
“What will happen ... when the universe goes up in smoke”? Masks, the
E.P., the Master, some diagrams, "The ego does not surrender 'in
vacuo'." |
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(pdf 42 was
missing, but have AT's) |
pdf 34 to 53 |
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Page
8, AT's jpg 26b |
| Sep 28 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
1 |
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44 |
pdf 34 to 53 |
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Handwritten
sticky note only, reference to enclosed photo. This is AT's page 27a |
| Sep 28 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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Photo |
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n/a |
n/a |
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Photo
of a painting of Pulyan with a pipe. AT's jpg 27b |
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| Sep 28 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
2* |
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48, 49 |
pdf 34 to 53 |
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These
are pages 1 (48) and 2 (49) of Pulyan's letter of Sep 28, out of order, i.e.,
the handwrtten numbering was wrong. |
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| OCTOBER
1960 |
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| Oct 3 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
handwritten |
3 |
1960-1003-rose-1,
2, 3 |
45, 46, 47 |
pdf 34 to 53 |
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A
pretty bland letter that does not say much. Dissappointing after P's
masterpiece of 9/28. R doesn't seem to respond to any of it. |
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Note: pages 48 and 49 are out of order (see 9/28
above) |
| Oct 6 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
4 |
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50 to 53 |
pdf 34 to 53 |
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Another
masterpiece. The self acts as an obstacle to the light, but this can only be
removed by dying. The self thinks it is the final judge, the boss. We need an
outside fulcrum, a "friend". The ego must be dethroned. The teacher
does not "enjoy" the process; on the contrary, ego-domination has
been knocked out of him. What is of the greatest value is not wanted.
"Your letter is mostly dialectic, cool intellectual discussion, &
seems to get us no further." |
| Oct 10 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
2 |
1960-1010-rose-1,
2 |
54, 55 |
pdf 54 to 71 |
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Argumentative.
Accuses P of being evasive, of contradicting himself, e.g., that P claims to
know "God" etc. but then backs down. Asks for P's view on
reincarnation, immortal soul.. |
| Oct 12 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
8 |
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56 to 63 |
pdf 54 to 71 |
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Page
numbering is out of order. Page 5 is #61 and page 6 is #60. |
| Oct 17 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
3 |
1960-1017-rose-1,
2, 3 |
64, 65, 66 |
pdf 54 to 71 |
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Says
how much he hates the word God. Objects to P over his term
"friendship", says he doesn't like to be "ordered about".
Says he ovvered to meet P but was turned down. |
| Oct 23 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
2 |
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67, 68 |
pdf 54 to 71 |
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| Oct 27 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
1 |
1960-1027-rose |
69 |
pdf 54 to 71 |
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Calls
Pulyan's correspondence "piddling". |
| Oct 31 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
2 |
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70, 71 |
pdf 54 to 71 |
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| NOVEMBER
1960 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
1 |
1960-1100-undated-rose |
72 |
pdf 72 to 89 |
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Possibly
about 11/10 based on Pulyan's response date of 11/14. |
| Nov 14 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
2 |
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73, 74 |
pdf 72 to 89 |
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| Nov 20 #1 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
2 |
1960-1120-rose-1,
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75, 76 |
pdf 72 to 89 |
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| Nov 20 #2 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
1 |
1960-1120-rose-3 |
77 |
pdf 72 to 89 |
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Very
short note |
| Nov 23 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
2 |
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78, 79 |
pdf 72 to 89 |
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| 1961 |
(No letters exist in Dec 1960 or
Jan 1961) |
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| FEBRUARY
1961 |
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| Feb 17 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
1 |
1961-0217-rose |
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pdf 72 to 89 |
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"The
last letter I got from you was Nov 23." |
| Feb 20 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
9 including
blank |
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81 to 89 (82 is
blank) |
pdf 72 to 89 |
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Notes
on letters dated 8/24, 9/1, 10/10, undated, 11/20 |
| Feb 24 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
2 |
1961-0224-rose-1,
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90, 91 |
pdf 90 to 107 |
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| Feb 27 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
2 |
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92, 93 |
pdf 90 to 107 |
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| MARCH 1961 |
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| Mar 3 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
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1 |
1961-0303-rose |
94 |
pdf 90 to 107 |
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| Mar 6 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
6 |
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95 to 100 |
pdf 90 to 107 |
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| Mar 10 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
2 |
1961-0310-rose-1,
2 |
101, 102 |
pdf 90 to 107 |
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| Mar 13 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
5 |
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103 to 107 |
pdf 90 to 107 |
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| Mar 20 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
1 |
1961-0320-rose |
108 |
pdf 108 to 136 |
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| Mar 23 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
2 |
1961-0323-pulyan-1,
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109, 110 |
pdf 108 to 136 |
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PDF
collection is missing page 2 (next is April 10) |
| Mar 28 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
1 |
1960-0328-rose |
111 |
n/a |
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PDF
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| APRIL 1961 |
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| Apr 3 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
3 |
1961-0403-pulyan-1,
2, 3 |
112, 113 |
n/a |
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PDF
collection doesn't have this. |
| Apr 6 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
1 |
1961-0426-rose |
115 |
n/a |
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PDF
collection doesn't have this |
| Apr 10 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
4 |
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116, 117, 118,
119 |
pdf 108 to 136 |
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April
10 page 1 is out of order; it appears
after Mar 23, p1 |
| Apr 15 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
2 |
1961-0415-rose-1,
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120, 121 |
pdf 108 to 136 |
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| Apr 19 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
1 |
1961-0419-rose |
122 |
pdf 108 to 136 |
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Very
short, R says he's ill. |
| Apr 26 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
2 |
1961-0426-rose-1,
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123, 124 |
pdf 108 to 136 |
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| Apr 29 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
7 including
blank |
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125 to 131 (but
126 is blank) |
pdf 108 to 136 |
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| MAY 1961 |
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| May 15 |
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Rose to Pulyan |
typed |
1 |
1961-0515-rose-last |
136 |
pdf 108 to 136 |
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R
says he is ill, weak, and won't write much more. This is numbered out of
order (date looks like May 18 on copy) |
| May 17 |
Pulyan to Rose |
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handwritten |
4 |
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132 to 135 |
pdf 108 to 136 |
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